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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/scheduling%20a%20design%20meeting/near/180766976" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/scheduling.20a.20design.20meeting.html#180766976">(Nov 14 2019 at 19:45)</a>:</h4>
<p>So hey <span class="user-group-mention" data-user-group-id="1977">@T-lang</span> -- I sent out an e-mail with a <a href="https://doodle.com/poll/dzffkvby2nvesfvy" target="_blank" title="https://doodle.com/poll/dzffkvby2nvesfvy">doodle link</a> regarding scheduling a second design meeting, but so far nobody's responded. I'm not sure if this is just "need reminders" or if this is a "not sure if I can deal with a 2nd meeting" (which is a concern of mine). I'm open to "we don't have time for two meetings" -- but I would definitely like to talk out how we should be having longer conversatiosn (and maybe some of the other goals).</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/scheduling%20a%20design%20meeting/near/180768276" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/scheduling.20a.20design.20meeting.html#180768276">(Nov 14 2019 at 19:58)</a>:</h4>
<p>to be honest one reason I am hesitating to fill out this poll is that in a month my time zone is going to be shifted 6 hours</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/scheduling%20a%20design%20meeting/near/180768364" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/scheduling.20a.20design.20meeting.html#180768364">(Nov 14 2019 at 19:58)</a>:</h4>
<p>and I am having trouble predicting what times I will be available then. Even though really it should open up  slots in my schedule...</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/scheduling%20a%20design%20meeting/near/182765037" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/scheduling.20a.20design.20meeting.html#182765037">(Dec 06 2019 at 14:27)</a>:</h4>
<p>Hey <span class="user-group-mention" data-user-group-id="1977">@T-lang</span> -- I want to bring this topic up again. I really feel the need for us to have more time to do in-depth discussion.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/scheduling%20a%20design%20meeting/near/182765046" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/scheduling.20a.20design.20meeting.html#182765046">(Dec 06 2019 at 14:27)</a>:</h4>
<p>We do have I suppose 4 responses on the doodle, let me see what overlaps exist</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/scheduling%20a%20design%20meeting/near/182765065" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/scheduling.20a.20design.20meeting.html#182765065">(Dec 06 2019 at 14:27)</a>:</h4>
<p>heh, relatively little</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/scheduling%20a%20design%20meeting/near/182765183" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/scheduling.20a.20design.20meeting.html#182765183">(Dec 06 2019 at 14:29)</a>:</h4>
<p>Well, it looks like 11am or 12am (Boston time) might be a candidate, perhaps on Wednesday (I think it'd be good to do a day other than Thursday)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/scheduling%20a%20design%20meeting/near/182765192" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/scheduling.20a.20design.20meeting.html#182765192">(Dec 06 2019 at 14:29)</a>:</h4>
<p>I wrote my response based on my Paris time zone</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/scheduling%20a%20design%20meeting/near/182765204" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/scheduling.20a.20design.20meeting.html#182765204">(Dec 06 2019 at 14:29)</a>:</h4>
<p>Yeah, <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116083">@pnkfelix</span>,  I was ignoring your line :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/scheduling%20a%20design%20meeting/near/182765212" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/scheduling.20a.20design.20meeting.html#182765212">(Dec 06 2019 at 14:29)</a>:</h4>
<p>okay good</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/scheduling%20a%20design%20meeting/near/182765217" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/scheduling.20a.20design.20meeting.html#182765217">(Dec 06 2019 at 14:29)</a>:</h4>
<p>On the premise that your constraints will soon look a lot more like mine</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/scheduling%20a%20design%20meeting/near/182765228" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/scheduling.20a.20design.20meeting.html#182765228">(Dec 06 2019 at 14:29)</a>:</h4>
<p>Or at least a "subset" of mine</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/scheduling%20a%20design%20meeting/near/182765236" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/scheduling.20a.20design.20meeting.html#182765236">(Dec 06 2019 at 14:30)</a>:</h4>
<p>That is likely false given that you will have distinct family obligations / schedule, but maybe true-ish :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/scheduling%20a%20design%20meeting/near/182765301" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/scheduling.20a.20design.20meeting.html#182765301">(Dec 06 2019 at 14:30)</a>:</h4>
<p>constraints are still likely subset, i.e. availability likely to be superset, yes</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/scheduling%20a%20design%20meeting/near/182765313" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/scheduling.20a.20design.20meeting.html#182765313">(Dec 06 2019 at 14:30)</a>:</h4>
<p>i.e. you serve as reasonable proxy for me.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/scheduling%20a%20design%20meeting/near/182765393" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/scheduling.20a.20design.20meeting.html#182765393">(Dec 06 2019 at 14:31)</a>:</h4>
<p>As far as things to use it for, some of the topics I think might be great to spend in-depth time discussing:</p>
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<li>Covering the Stacked Borrows model in depth (this can be many meetings, as there are many particulars)</li>
<li>Discussing Specialization and chalk related issues</li>
<li>The soundness issue on Pin and how we should handle it</li>
<li>The <code>dyn Trait</code> soundness issue and our overall approach there</li>
<li>The C vs C+unwind debate from <a class="stream" data-stream-id="210922" href="/#narrow/stream/210922-wg-ffi-unwind">#wg-ffi-unwind</a> </li>
<li>Detailed updates from working groups in general</li>
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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/scheduling%20a%20design%20meeting/near/182765490" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/scheduling.20a.20design.20meeting.html#182765490">(Dec 06 2019 at 14:32)</a>:</h4>
<p>I imagine that just explaining stuff would do a lot not only to keep all of <em>us</em> in the loop, but also to educate the community -- though I wonder if there might even be room for a kind of irregular "lecture series" more in that vein</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/scheduling%20a%20design%20meeting/near/182789949" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Josh Triplett <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/scheduling.20a.20design.20meeting.html#182789949">(Dec 06 2019 at 18:36)</a>:</h4>
<p>Also reviewing output and progress from shepherds.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/scheduling%20a%20design%20meeting/near/182796168" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/scheduling.20a.20design.20meeting.html#182796168">(Dec 06 2019 at 19:40)</a>:</h4>
<p>I was thinking more about this meeting. I think we should be thinking hard about how to enable participation in t-lang with a smaller, more directed time investment.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/scheduling%20a%20design%20meeting/near/182796221" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/scheduling.20a.20design.20meeting.html#182796221">(Dec 06 2019 at 19:41)</a>:</h4>
<p>For example, <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="127859">@Taylor Cramer</span> in their new position has less time to participate; <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="120791">@RalfJ</span> doesn't have enough but has obvious expertise; etc.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/scheduling%20a%20design%20meeting/near/182796264" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/scheduling.20a.20design.20meeting.html#182796264">(Dec 06 2019 at 19:41)</a>:</h4>
<p>I am thinking specifically that we should aim to have triage be a kind of "optional" (and maybe even <strong>rotating</strong>) duty</p>



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<p>I want to say "with the goal of making uncontroversial decisions" but maybe that's too limited</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/scheduling%20a%20design%20meeting/near/182796343" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/scheduling.20a.20design.20meeting.html#182796343">(Dec 06 2019 at 19:42)</a>:</h4>
<p>Anyway getting a second meeting up and going will (I think) be an important part of that</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/scheduling%20a%20design%20meeting/near/182796370" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/scheduling.20a.20design.20meeting.html#182796370">(Dec 06 2019 at 19:42)</a>:</h4>
<p>One that is scheduled more in advance (and potentially moves at times to accommodate the needs of infrequent guests)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/scheduling%20a%20design%20meeting/near/182810808" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Taylor Cramer <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/scheduling.20a.20design.20meeting.html#182810808">(Dec 06 2019 at 22:22)</a>:</h4>
<p>I missed this poll the first time around and have since added my response.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/scheduling%20a%20design%20meeting/near/183877330" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/scheduling.20a.20design.20meeting.html#183877330">(Dec 19 2019 at 19:32)</a>:</h4>
<p>Hello <span class="user-group-mention" data-user-group-id="1977">@T-lang</span> -- so I took a look at the results <a href="https://doodle.com/poll/dzffkvby2nvesfvy" target="_blank" title="https://doodle.com/poll/dzffkvby2nvesfvy">from this doodle</a> and there are really only a few viable options. Basically Monday at 11 or Monday at 12 (Eastern time). The former is early for <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="239881">@Josh Triplett</span>, so Monday at noon is perhaps preferred. (I'm just ignoring <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116083">@pnkfelix</span> since they have moved to the US in the meantime).</p>
<p>What would people think about Monday at noon as a time for "deeper discussion"? I imagine this would start in early January.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/scheduling%20a%20design%20meeting/near/183888887" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/scheduling.20a.20design.20meeting.html#183888887">(Dec 19 2019 at 21:52)</a>:</h4>
<p>OK so I think <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="239881">@Josh Triplett</span> would strongly prefer 9:00 PT / 12:00 ET / 18:00 CEST</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/scheduling%20a%20design%20meeting/near/183888903" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/scheduling.20a.20design.20meeting.html#183888903">(Dec 19 2019 at 21:52)</a>:</h4>
<p>So far everybody seems to think this "could work" who I've talked to, which isn't all <em>that</em> many folks :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/scheduling%20a%20design%20meeting/near/183888913" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/scheduling.20a.20design.20meeting.html#183888913">(Dec 19 2019 at 21:52)</a>:</h4>
<p>But I'm going to go ahead and put it on the calendar, starting from Jan 6</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/scheduling%20a%20design%20meeting/near/183888942" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/scheduling.20a.20design.20meeting.html#183888942">(Dec 19 2019 at 21:53)</a>:</h4>
<p>And people can accept the invite (or not) and comment here</p>



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